responsible for those decisions at that time, including president bush, secretaryw3 paulson, chairman bernanke along with me. our judgment was those problems would have been dramatically amplified if aig had failed and they would spread to parts of the system that would have otherwise been unaffected, including basic confidence in the insurance industry. >> or is it to the derivative business? securities lending and insurance companies? the commercial paper? the aircraft leasing business? or something else? >> it is hard to separate. what is systemic risk is a difficult thing to judge. >> we are all finding that out. >> that is the reality of it. i think the simplest way to say it is look at what happened after lehman brothers and the broader collapse of many of the large institutions. the value of american savings fell 40%. hundreds of thousands of businesses forced to close. mary and the people lost their work. basic confidence in the system was broken. derivativto have vote largest ie company in the world that had written savings contracts hundreds of thousands of american households, and u